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in the defense sector and the head of a defense contractor who will feel that pain joins us next along with former vermont governor howard dean who argues maybe going over the fiscal cliff will be the best thing for the nation. >>> later, we have the former chairman of the council of economic advisers under president bush. he's going to join us as well as laura tyson, the former head of the cea under president clinton. we're going to get their take on the cliff and today's jobs number. >>> also, tough week for apple shares. is now the time to load up? stick around for the apple trade in the back half of this hour. stay tuned. [ male announcer ] when this hotel added aflac to provide a better benefits package... oahhh! [ male announcer ] it made a big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ♪ ha ha! >>> one of my next guests thinks that going over the fiscal cliff would be a good thing for wall street. the other says defense cuts would pose an unacceptable risk to the economy, national se
? >> defense stocks, defense index hit an historic high and with all the talk of skwegsration and certainly on defense spending you would think they would be down. another sign that the markets are optimistic things will work out. airlines were up today. very positive comments on capacity and business coming back after sandy, so there's two groups that held up and, of course, apple up as well. >> interesting to see the defense stocks act that way, bob, even though we're expecting layoffs in the sector. >> yeah. this is what's remarkable to me. overall you would think orders, like future orders, which is what defense spending -- defense stocks trade on would be noticeable to the downside and there's ate lot of worry. not underperforming the market. since the beginning of the deekz december, they have been outperforming. >> go ahead, debra. >> been at the tax rates before and it wasn't like nobody jumped out of market. stocks did outperform at market. >> but that was a very different time, wasn't it? we were on the east internet. you had dotcoms soaring and money moving into technology right
like it. i already own it. you see how much i like it because i own it. that was the primary defense. you haven't seen a great many big prosecutions in this area. interestingly enough, one of the areas that they did, oh, about 25 years ago, prosecute some folks on was running a options portfolio. they marked the stock up to make the options more attractive so they got a bigger bonus from their firm. >> they closed the stock on the strike too, right, art? >> absolutely. >> the options owners wouldn't make any money. >> that's right. >> are you expecting, ron, that we're going to see various sort of techniques at year end to make the portfolios look better? >> i think now that this has become so public with "the wall street journal" article, it focuses on the movement of very thinly traded stocks. one thing to watch out for is they don't invest in this microcap world that is so easily pushed around. they were talking about one stock in the article that had a market value of $36 million. any individual can move a stock with that kind of market cap. you want to stay away from funds that
cliff. you'll raise some taxes, yes, that's true, you'll cut defense and some human services. this is the only way we'll have a significant bite out of this deficit. i think the market is going to like this. they say no right now, but when they see that this government is taking on the deficit in a serious way i think they will like it >> you don't think going over the cliff is armageddon? >> this is just nonsense, absolutely not. this is a bipartisan deal that was made. now both parties are trying to welch on their commitments. i think that's a mistake. >> steve, ben bernanke said today if we do go over the fiscal cliff, even if it's for a short period of time, it's going to be very costly and they do not have the tools to basically dig us out of it. do you believe if we go over the fiscal cliff it won't be as easy as the governor is suggesting? >> we're in trouble anyway this quarter and the next quarter and putting on taxes of any kind would be the wrong thing to do. sometimes the governor is a former physician, current physician, and you learn first go don't harm the pati
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